To that end, the ROMEO 1 optic has a slot machined into its base to make the suppressor height iron sights visible through the window. That’ll be a while since my recent misfortune sent me truck shopping and I exercised my right to middle age crazy by going all out for the F150 4×4 Lariat Super Crew. Then you can choose to transition your focus to the dot alone if that’s what the situation calls for. Now can you please GO AWAY so the sane people can have a civil discussion on the various aspects and glean relevant information from this conversation that may be useful to us in making a decision. Red dots allow us to focus on the threat, something humans naturally do when under stress. One big issue with adopting reflex sights on handguns is holster compatibility. This is in part due to astigmatisms, imperfect correction with contact lenses, poor indoor lighting, aging eyes and whatever other excuses I can think up. The introductory MSRP for the P320 RX (complete with optic) is $799. I wish my paycheck matched up with these article’s definitions of “affordable”. That’s not what co-witnessing means. Sits up nice n high with a 30° forward cant. The 4.7” slide and barrel offer unparalleled accuracy and comfort without sacrificing the ability to carry concealed. I read the article and it seemed to only tackle the supposed advantages (neither of which I used to make my case) while also admitting that training scars contribute to the learning curve being so large with buis in front of dot setups. It’s pointless. The backup iron sights are there to do simple that, backup the optic in the event of a failure, they should be placed appropriately. These new generation reflexes are amazing beyond words. You are missing the point. I shoot at least 200-300 rounds per week and 1000 -1500+ one weekend per month. On top of that I’m adding something else that can and has failed and requires maintenance much more than night sights. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. At the same time, the SIG is a chunky old thing with a rather tall snout, larger than most entrants in this category. Hunting terrorist and taking head shots blah blah blah. The use of the word “need” tells me everything I need to know about how you think. You know for years the Glock 19 was considered the end all be all of the compact carry guns. Again for the average Joe you don’t need all this Tacticrap bolted onto your pistol. See people don’t this out into consideration when purchasing these things they think they can just slap it on and all look I can see the site so I can shoot better fundamentals are still the same it’s just the mechanics or different and it’s hard to go from one platform to the other flawlessly actually it’s impossible we develop those body mechanics and when you draw that pistol that has a reflex sight on it you’re going to shoot it a certain way now like I said you decide not to carry it now you go draw pistol with traditional iron sights on it you’re going to draw and hold it up you’ll be like oh crap I can’t get picture oh yeah there’s my sight picture and seconds have passed. True DAO with restrike capability and at least $100 less expensive. And that is just comparing the specs, holding them side by side they are nearly the same size. When the rear sight is behind the red dot, our eyes automatically take the short cut many of us rely on to gain a slight speed advantage, glancing at the rear sight as we draw, then using that as a reference point for sight alignment. It’s so annoying to hear this guy never acknowledge any of the other valid points, of which there are many, while he continues to pound everyone over the head demanding his opinion be declared the ultimate truth. Sitting on top of the front sight? And the chances are, you’ll stay. I can’t find it on their site anywhere. The P320 is a striker-fired version of the Sig Sauer P250 with single and double action modular design. SIG SAUER has a prescription for that: the P320 RX. It’s much easier to get up to speed this way than when the dot is just hovering in space by itself. For handling on the range the gun is great. But my performance bar for personal protection is a little higher than “should work pretty well.”. Also, if the red dot has a motion sensor for battery savings, how will it differentiate from normal body motion during on-body carry? You seem hell bent on everyone believing exactly what you believe or they’re deemed by you to be a moron and must be personally attacked. RMRs are right up there with weapon lights/lasers. The idea is to let your familiarity with sight alignment guide your eye to the dot. That has been proven many a time by many an expert. You have entered an incorrect email address! The only laser I want will be a night vision to supplement an NV scope on my suppressed 300 BLK SBR. Your making a BIG assumption stating a laser is slower to target than iron sights. I hope it’s worth the $ and actually fits the 320C RX. Accuracy: * * * * * I think lasers are the right answer generally, but there’s a school of thought championed by Gabe Suarez and others which says red dots on handguns is the right solution. As the cost and size of red dot optics come down it’s becoming economical for the average shooter to mount a red dot sight on their pistol. The RX ships from the factory with a SIG SAUER Electro-Optics brand Romeo1™ reflex sight installed into a specially cut low-mount dovetail in a P320 slide. . With the dot sandwiched between the irons the only benefit available will be the precision at distance and the low light sight aquisition, you lose the increase in speed almost entirely. I couldn’t agree more. Most duty/security holsters have some kind of hood which rotates over the top (slide plate or hammer area) of the firearm, locking it into the holster (look at the Safariland 6004 or the Blackhawk Serpa, which is what I have carried for over 10 years). BS! SIG offers full-size and compact grip modules with small, medium and large grip sizes. Overall * * * * With practice, I have found target acquisition to be significantly improved ( quicker) as well as improved accuracy farther away. The P320 is a big Sig for the 21st Century. There is no comparison from using a laser and a red dot. The P320 RX is a new addition to Sig’s already popular line of pistols with polymer grip modules and interchangeable trigger control groups. The P320 (full size) is 8 inches long, with a 4.7-inch barrel. The whole point is to have a small compact package if you have an RMR and your light on your pistol that you’re carrying there’s too many pieces to the puzzle that can go wrong where is if you just carry a pocket light and put something like VTAC Sights on your pistol then you never have to worry about anything in one package failing. It’s not a carry gun though, I use it in 3 gun with the other guns having red dots as well. The pistol itself isn’t what makes me say anything it’s the simple fact that there’s no need for it. Dead on Mike, give it 10 years and red dots will be everywhere! Thanks for pointing it out! This particular optic was a test optic. I carry a Surefire E1E w/KL1 head. If i were you i would also spend a little time proof reading and learning punctuation, that will help you more than iron sights in an internet shoot out. Family owned, great people to work with. A reflex sight would not allow the proper clearance to draw from the holster without getting hung up on the hood. I am convinced that the no-frills, easy to operate, hammer-fired P-250 is a better choice for CC (the only “frill” on it should be its glowing sights that make it easy to find in the dark when using it for home defense). I’m focused on the reality that most people carrying a concealed weapon will never do the recommended level of training. Having the gun – including the optic – provided by and under warranty by the same manufacturer may open up doors for optics-enabled pistols to find their way into more duty holsters, and will certainly remove complexity and intimidation from the average shooter who may be interested in red-dot equipped pistols. However, nothing else compares when you need to make a precise head shot or hit at distance. The remainder of the stage felt slow, but I ended up with a stage win by 11 percent. The data also shows most gun owners are content with mediocrity. Half the time we can’t understand what you’re trying to say in your rant due to the lack of punctuation and dizzying run-on sentences. It’s powered by a watch battery that can be swapped-out through a top-loading cassette. Same applies to firearms. The best way to use red dots to their max effeciency is to use just the dot and maintain a threat focus through the entire draw and presentation. Really? I was able to push with my thumb left and right easily. You do not take aim and get proper sight alignment on iron sights and then so the same to superimpose the red dot onto the front sight. Fair point – the sleep function does depend on how active one is. On the other hand, there are a few disadvantages. CEASE FIRE!” ….”what happened?” “My sight isn’t working” or “I can’t see my sight” to which the Instructor points out “you can’t control the uncontrollable, widgets and gidgets will, can and do malfunction” “You’re DEAD!” It spoke volumes and drove the point home. For defensive shooting at ranges of 1-7 yards, trigger control be damned: Learn to hold the handgun tight, make it immovable. I got a black leather one and it is super nice, fits like a glove. But in the end the guy with bone stock Glock runs circles around the Tacticool Fool. The SIG P320 RX Compact creates a superior carry handgun that excels in gunfighting—not just reactive defense, with which smaller-framed handguns are most associated. The lack of police takeup despite supposed advantages, were a contributor to deflating the hype bubble surrounding lasers a decade or so ago. However, some of us are not and never will be as highly trained as you and that’s OK. Red dot sights are not a replacement for training, they are an addition to training so we have better odds of eliminating a threat to ourselves and family God forbid it should it ever occur. Of course with some practice the dot will be just as fast has anything else. The fire control system meets the drop test with or without a trigger-mounted tab.Shooters that require th… Even if it is just laying in a night stand drawer undisturbed. The top load CR1632 battery offers convenience of being able to change the battery without having to remove the dot; however, a few early adopters have seen issues with the dot shutting off in recoil. Training isn’t that expensive. While I think (now) some of its poor behaviors were due to a lack of proper gunsmithing, I did not like that gun for many reasons. I’ll even say that if you’re shooting competition go for it. The fix is easy: use a good screw driver (instead of the included sight tool), and tighten it down hard. If you haven’t been trained on either, you likely will target a laser faster. Optic equipped pistols are not a new idea, but until recently they were a curiosity reserved for high-end “race guns” which are far from common. I think the RX setup is just about ideal. Then your eye shifts to the dot. You’ll need to go to a driving school then a racing school and then go through more training before you can properly operate the F1 car. If you’ve decided that it’s time to carry a handgun with a red dot optic, this is the easiest way to get in the game. For a carry gun that’s a major win in my book. If you’ve decided that it’s time to carry a handgun with a red dot optic, this is the easiest way to get in the game. Training is EVERYTHING. As watch batteries don’t tend to last very long, SIG SAUER added a motion sensor that turns the dot off when the gun isn’t moving — and turns it back on when it detects motion. On this firearm, the P320’s iron sights have been swapped for suppressor-height sights, to enable co-witnessing the red dot and iron sights. I consider the red dot a defensive pistol an unnecessary pice of gear. That is why red dots are growing in popularity in shooting at the range or match competition. The SIG Sauer P320 is a modular gun in that the frame isn’t really a frame. I am generally of the “keep it simple” school of thought myself. It’s about a tool in the tool box, not finding the ultimate do all solution. Period. The serialized frame is actually a stainless steel chassis inside the polymer grip module. Or a handgun with a pre-mounted red dot sight. My friend just bought the full sized P320 RX. Those configurations will not be serviced under the same warranty as the pistol. http://www.impactguns.com/sig-sauer-p320-rx-compact-9mm-nit-romeo1-151-sig-sauer-798681558186.aspx. Lest we forget, the SIG SAUER P320 is a modular handgun. You can get into some classes for $250-$500. In theory you can also do that with iron sights, but with limited accuracy. They allow shooting from any position without putting the gun up between you and the target. https://www.sigsauer.com/store/parts/conversion-kits.html. As someone who trained and killed actual terrorist you should never take a shot of that distance with a sidearm. Close up shot of the Romeo1’s top load battery compartment. SIG Sauer, capitalizing on the success of the P320 handgun, is now shipping three additional P320 variants.These three pistols, part of the X-Series, are … This modular, striker fired 9mm pistol has a polymer frame, full-size grip, full-length slide, a smooth, crisp trigger, and is available in full-size and compact models, in capacities of 10, 15 or 17 rounds. “Laser seems like it would be the superior solution for several reasons. SIG SAUER’s P320 RX Compact is the complete package, ready to rock-and-roll straight from the factory, sold for a reasonable price. I found that IWB carry with P320 RX Compact is not comfortable since the RDS sticks out from the side just a little. The P320 RXs shot during Nationals and since then have been holding up extremely well. A Glock 19 is probably the smallest entry in the compact pistol market. The second time out I shot with a larger group who ranged from casual to first-time shooters. You’re dealing with a moving target in public with civilians around. Optic is the future of those of us with old eyes! Romeo1’s 3 MOA dot with co-witnessed night sights. DM, I think you are missing the function of co-witnessing. Then you can squeeze or slap or jerk the trigger, but the barrel and sights won’t move. By round 20, the impacts had drifted about 5 inches (left and down a little). Instead spend the money on training, ammo and range membership, And what about the vast majority of gun owners who don’t have all your training, and probably never will? https://youtu.be/zrrlxEwUaRM. New words evolve as does the world and technology. I get their argument and it makes a lot of sense but I generally come down on the “laser or iron sights” side. The ROMEO1 is their smallest optic, roughly the same size and feature set as the Leupold Deltapoint or Trijicon RMR. It sounds like your instructors were more interested in making a point to validate a pre-existing ideology and being right than training for excellence in the pursuit of increasing performance. When the naturals don’t need no training they just have the “gift”. The pistol is easy to point, has plenty of space to get a proper grip, and keeps recoil to manageable levels. The best way to stay up-to-date about special offers, new products and services, product availability and training opportunities is to sign up for our newsletter. Ps. Trigger Systems | Triggers | Grips & Grip Modules | Base Pads | Guide Rods | Spring Kits | Other Gun Parts | Holsters | Sights | Apparel | Tools | Accessories, List Everything | SIG Sauer Armorer's DVD | Bruce's Garage, P320 | M17 | M18 | P229 | P228 | P226 | X5 All-Round | P220 | P225-A1 | P227 | P238 | P938 | P365 | P365XL, HK45 | HK45 Compact | P2000 | P30 | P30L | P30SK | USP | USP Elite | USP Expert | USP Compact | VP9 | P7, P320 Competition Trigger System Installation, P-220, X-5 Internal Extractor Replacement. Hi All, I've been looking everywhere for a P320 RX with the Romeo1 sights. It’s a great gun. Co-witnessing provides a backup if the dot fails (a primary objection from the skeptics), and facilitates a shorter learning curve because you can first find the sights you have been looking for every time you aimed the gun previously, and then transition your eye to the dot that is hovering right there in the first place. Plus you lose the ability to search or maintain light control that you could with a proper white light. The problem with the laser is that you are looking for it on the target and it takes a second to find. You simply hold the gun ever so slightly lower than where you hold for traditional sights, find the dot, and put it on the target. Wish it came with a threaded barrel from the factory. co-witnessing the red dot and iron sights, Quote of the Day: NRA Statement on Faltering Kentucky Constitutional Carry Bill. P320; P320 M17; P320 RX; In Stock Only Sig Sauer P320 M18 Commemorative Edition 9mm Carry Size Flat Dark Earth (FDE) Striker-Fired Pistol $1,599.99; In Stock Brand: Sig Sauer; Item Number: M18-COMMEMORATIVE; Sig Sauer P320 Full … My point is not that people shouldn’t bother with training, I’m just saying that most people won’t do as much as they ought to and there’s nothing wrong with giving them a tool that gives them some more capability and might help compensate for the training deficiency. To answer another post, no–a red dot is not “necessary” at self defense distances. That’s your logic and how stupid you sound. People spend too much time on tiny nitpicks instead of things that actually matter. Do you think a red dot will improve hit rated against moving targets when the primary cause of the miss is a poor understanding of deflection shooting? Now if you also have a smooth fast constant trigger pull/push, fine. Grow the F’K up! The red dot makes it much easier to see how your trigger control might be disturbing the sights, and allows you to better see and focus on recoil control; both areas where I need to improve. What you just said shows you don’t know what you are talking about. This is neither here nor there, but I picked one of these at Cabelas the other day, on sale, with a coupon, and with a trade factored in. Also, the Romeo1 is waterproof rated at IPX-7. The first thing you may notice about the Romeo1 is its attractive styling; however, those lines serve a very functional purpose. But hey it’s your dollar wasted on whatever you want. Like you said it’s just another tool in the toolbox, not to be relied on solely. The data shows that people miss a whole lot more than they hit. The Sig P320RX 9mm is just an excellent pistol and a pleasure to shoot. Certainly a trade off. Upon further investigation, the front sight was very loose. At that point he can choose to either shoot, or switch his focus to the dot sitting right there at his point of aim for greater precision. Sig Sauer P226 Review Conclusion. Now it performs on par with my P220 SAO Carry. Yes they do but they are still successful with an insignificant amount of collateral damage. If OWB then it’s not a problem. I understand why you made the choice but how much training have you done to validate that decision? As soon as the coveted package containing the RX slide arrived from Bruce Gray at Grayguns, I headed to my local indoor range to see what it could do. In bet my life that a complete noob to shooting would wipe the floor with you after 5-6 courses with various firearms and training professionals. I was floored when within the first few rounds down range I found that with the P320 RX and SIG Elite Performance Ammunition I could shoot a group smaller than 1” at 22 yards while resting my hands on the open bench. Zero advantage to the average Joe CCW. I’m confused by your comment. Just another mall ninja. Also, i don’t think you realize that Murphy’s law isn’t limited to electronic devices right? This is not an issue for concealed carry, which generally have open-top holsters and no obstructions. Battery life for the Romeo1 is one week if left on. All FTF’s, however Critical Duty feeds and extracts like a greasy string out a sick monkey’s….well, never mind. DM, I think what you are missing is the difference between alignment with a stocked rifle and a pistol. Times are changing and the striker fired polymer king Glock, is being given a run for its money by Sig Sauer. If people aren’t going to train the way they should then the RMR is a hazard due to Murphy’s Law. Ive seen quite a few guys adopt such a thing and then abandon it after training. The P320 maximizes peace of mind with a robust safety system including both a striker safety and a disconnect safety, and because of its innovative 3-point takedown safety, never again will you need to pull the trigger to disassemble your pistol. Even so, battery life is good even if left on all the time. I’ve tried closing my off eye to focus more but it hasn’t seemed to make a difference. The simplicity of being able to focus on the target and not have to worry about sight alignment made everyone shoot more accurately and helped to better show the new shooters what they were doing and what needed to be corrected. Red dots on pistols are moronic, on a rifle I can honestly see it but on a pistol when 99.999% of all the general public who are going to be firing and especially those who actually purchase these that don’t compete are only ever going to shoot them 10 yards in you can pretty much almost point shoot 10 yards in. Covering the front sight dot? I am a retired soldier, combat vet and served in Special Operations. Check them out, they even moved the thumb break to across the top of the back strap for me, instead of across the back of the slide. So initially you align on target based on the 2 points of reference. If they don’t know how to train for when it goes upside down. Second, your assuming one has been trained to use an iron sight. Excellent, high grade materials, bought the double magazine pouch to carry with it. I like it simple, lean and clean. This is a big deal in a self-defense situation. Fierce Defender IWB Kydex Holster for Sig P320c RX w/Optic. While manufacturers have made strides in bringing the optic equipped pistol out of obscurity, SIG SAUER® may have just released what has the potential of being the first truly mainstream optic equipped pistol, the SIG P320 RX. Throw a lever and push a button and the firearm that started life as a full-size .40 or .357 SIG man-stopper transforms into a compact and concealable 9mm carry gun. So if it’s a nightstand gun then it should work pretty well. You’re amazing and we should all aspire to be you. Practice with and without the RX on, so you’ll be prepared in the event of battery outage or battery cap loosening at an inopportune time. At the first USPSA Carry Optics Nationals held earlier this summer, multiple shooters jumped into Carry Optics with both feet by competing with the P320 RX. Eventually you start going straight to the dot and ignoring the irons if you want, but the irons are always there if needed and always provide a solid familiar point of reference. SIG Sauer P320 Specifications at a Glance . JS Leonard, why does a set up that you’ve never owned, what other people like, how much money others spend on their gun, & opinions different from yours make you so angry? Called Sig customer support and told to send in the upper. Everyone I know (250+ people) who CCW shoots at least 100+ rounds once a month. The dot is always in the same place if you properly present your sidearm regardless of BUIS or not. SIG SAUER does not say that the optic turns off when pointed down, and after 30 minutes of testing here at home I can confirm that it stays on. I use speak to type so I just talked I could care less about proof in it or if it’s a run-on sentence or if I don’t have a comma or a semicolon. Mike Smith: you talk about being a tool that easily used it requires quite a bit of training to get used to a red dot sight AKA reflex sight on a pistol your point of aim is different then that of traditional sites so you’re going to have to buy this and you just don’t buy one you also have to either buy a slide or have your slide milled so that it can accept this now you’re going to have to go to the range spend hours if not weeks getting proficient with this new item on your pistol now what happens whenever you decide hey I’m not going to carry my new whiz-bang pistol today I’m going to go grab my traditional pistol and I’m going to carry it now you go off so you jerk it up and you go to shoot and guess what your mechanics are off. If the darned things do make a measurable contribution to operator accuracy and efficiency, belt carrying cops ought to be the first to benefit. If you are lining up the red dot and lining up iron sights then there’s no point for the RMR. Every response you’ve left in this whole thread of responses reeks of the same overbearing and righteous attitude. Or even just driving around in a car. That’s 2400+ rounds per month not counting if I have a course or match. Tighten well before shooting. As you’d expect, carrying is a bit more difficult due to the added height of the red dot. It's also a big gun, but instead uses a striker-fired mechanism and all that comes with it. The glass aspheric lens has excellent light transmission with no visible distortion, and making sighting adjustments to the Romeo1 is easy since SIG’s Truhold locking system doesn’t require messing with locking screws to hold adjustments. Fiber optic sights are the same size with or without glasses and cost a whole lot less and are more practical.

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